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The real problem Dennis Wideman

From: Dave_icecatsfan  
Date: 06-Apr-05
I  notice a lot of you give the goalies a hard time over soft goals but really does 12 goals and 26 assists justify a -20? Not to mention turning like a rusty gate against a break before falling over.

From: Icecat110   Icecat110 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Apr-05

Most of his points have came on the power play, which doesn't affect the plus-minus stat.


From: Purple_Heart   Purple_Heart is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05

Anyone who plays 23-25 minutes per game and has played almost 400 power plays SHOULD have a lot of points. The plus/minus system is certainly not a perfect system;in fact I think it can be misleading at times, but in Wideman's case it does represent to a pretty good degree his real contribution.....or lack of it .......

He is a minus-20 and has  played even worse than that for the second have of the season ...he was a plus-10 at Christmas, so it's a minus 30 since then.  He must be related to Pleau or something, because he has received far too much playing time.

I said way back in October that "he was OK, but ceratinly nothing special", "average in fact", and later that he "is not a good as Pollock in any way".  ....... Now, others realize he is not even average ...Defensively, just awful.


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05

Worcester has given up 12 short handed goals...it's a safe bet that Wideman was on the ice for most of them.

While I couldn't find a specific listing it appears the Cats have given up 16 empty net goals (The Cats have given up 205 goals and goaltender stats add up to only 189)....it's a safe bet that Wideman was on the ice for most of them.

Those two alone could add up to a possible (-28)!

Plus/minus is worthless when taken out of context.

Thanks for trying though...


From: Purple_Heart   Purple_Heart is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05

210 ... are you suggesting that players on the ice while on a PP are scored upon, they should NOT be charged with a minus?? Why not? Hell, they ought to be charged twice.

It is unfair, sort-of, to charge guys a minus when scored upon with an open net, but maybe that's the balance for being given so many offensive opportunities. They are also on the ice with an extra attacker which gives them an advantage ...(you chose to ignore that, of course).

What "context" would you like put it in?  Btw, do you actually like Wideman, or just enjoy the other side of any position I am on? I hope you don't think he has actually played well!!!!

 


From: Walker Est Mon Favori   Walker Est Mon Favori is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05

I in fact like Wideman. I think in the beginning of the year he made a great rookie start, he set the bar really high. but now he hasnt lived up to that, and IMO has become an average rookie defensmen (obviously with an awful +/-).... Motto is at minus-19, but of course no one is mentioning him. And if we are going solely on +/-, DiSalvatore is a forward and is minus-15, but again no one mentioned that. ANNDDDD.... No one mentioned the fact that Wideman has the most goals out of all of our defensemen (he has 12, add the rest of the D men up and all together they have 15).


From: karlkat   karlkat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05
Wideman's a rookie. Let's cut him some slack, folks!

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Apr-05

I have no problem with the plus/minus formula, but when you don't look at how that player arrived at his "score" the score itself is meaningless. It's no wonder a player that scores most of his points on the power play has a negative plus minus on a team that gives up a boatload of shorties and ENGs.

If you are looking at plus/minus and placing blame based on that stat (which is just dumb IMO) why is no one mentions Brooks or DiSalvatore. Both if them have had huge falls in that stat but I don't see one person blaming them.

I don't think Wideman's played well lately, but he's playing better than his plus/minus shows.


From: STFDO   STFDO is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05
Word out of Peoria is that since Byrne's plus minus was so good they rewarded him with a ticket scanner. So now all he as to do is scan the tickets instead of ripping them in half, giving everyone an easier chance at spinning him around like the Human Turnstile he is. " Tickets please" T. Byrne

From: Purple_Heart   Purple_Heart is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05

STFDO ---- what a supid name; I guess appropriate for someone with a 10th grade education....

If Byrne is a "ticket taker" than Wideman is the Commisioner for the Mass. Turnpike Authority ....the worst defensive defenseman I have seen in Worcester in 3 years .....This guys allows U-Turns with the puck to anyone who asks in the middle of the highway. ..Dennis Wideman ---Mr. Turnover ...

 


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05
Ummm... PH you never saw Koivisto?

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05

P_H was in Cleveland, remember?


From: Purple_Heart   Purple_Heart is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05

quote: Ummm... PH you never saw Koivisto?

Yes, I did many times, and he and Wideman are very similar .  ....

.. Gee, 210SPIN, why are you not in Springfield?  It's only an hour away and I thought you went to every game !!!!!!! Could the Cats biggest fan have given up???

 


From: STFDO   STFDO is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05
Was Purple Heart ragging on my name??? And telling me i have a 10th grade education and calling me...." supid"?!?!? "SUPID"!!! Hahahah Ooooooo PH, ya got me there. Me all supid and stuff. Here ya go Purple. All i'm doing is having fun with this. You have some personal interest in Byrne, thats fine. You want to insult me for no reason...have the guts to do it in person coward.

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05

Your own words put you in Cleveland.

Give it up. You're so full of BS that that all you can do when confronted about things you've said is attack people. The Cats have 4 regular season left....I'm sure you'll be attending one and can give us your first hand "expert" opinion of it. Just let us know which game so we all can be prepared.

Oh, that's right. You don't actually go to games. You just get defensive and attack when that is brought up.

Same old song and dance.


From: Purple_Heart   Purple_Heart is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Apr-05

210SPIN ....... and I can say the exact same about you  ....Where are all your post-game recaps that you bragged about doing in your special section? ......Talk about BS....

Why have you not given any concise, fair, objective and informed opinions on any player in months? Maybe, becasue you never played beyond a "little bit in high school" .....for what a Div 2 high school in cantral Mass. ...

Why are YOU not at the game???????? 


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 09-Apr-05

I've not once bragged about doing the game recaps. And it's funny that you gave me crap for doing them, and are now giving me crap for not doing them.

And as I said previously, my focus is on getting another team here and not reporting on these players. You'll notice that on all those boards we post on together  I don't post any opinion about these players except when asked directly.

So why don't you go "spin" on something.

Same old BS from you--same old song and dance.


From: icecat23   icecat23 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 09-Apr-05

the tema worked very hard at the end of the night and throughout the whole game...it picked up at the end though!! Great job cats!!! It was the first win i have seen in a while...:-D


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